But one could still die from accidents or murder/monster attacks, so the number of people kept reducing, while chaos also kept flooding and destroying the world (more dead with nowhere to go). Having the same power as Luna, an … I didn't really know what I was doing, but I had leveled up on Gran Pulse by going on a ton of Mark, er, Cie'th Stone Hunts, so I blew through all three battles fairly easily. Most of the game consisted of the time travel stuff and anything weird or nonsensical that happened was just accepted as a paradox. I used the same strategy for Barthandalus, Bartie & Birdie, and Orphan. I feel kinda bad for hope since he lost his friend vanille and his mom while lightning got her sister snow got his soon to be wife and sazh got his kid but what about hope? I have 13 but up to chapter 5 I like it anyway because my brother completes most games within 36 hours plus I like everything. Comments: Eden is confusing because it's both the city and a fal'Cie, the strange triple fal'Cie that directs the party through Orphan's cradle (the cracktastic red landscape with all the platforms whizzing around). To make things worse, Bhunivelze doesn't want all the "bad baggage" from the dead to come into the new world: he plans on having them purged, only those who are fulfilled and alive at the last day would be saved, and when the souls are destroyed, all the memories about them would also vanish, giving the new world a clean slate to start, with no sorrow - and no Serah. First, the lore as it is when you start or after one or two hours in the game. But most of the people are saved, and are evacuating to the surface of Pulse. Even Serah. The fal'Cie that served the god Pulse worked to terraform the expansive lands of the planet, and the world came to be known as Gran Pulse. "How many times must you fail?" Comments: Barthandalus is tired of being stuck in his assigned job. Which is cheating, since it's a sequel and not the original, but I think they were both developed together fairly seamlessly. Therefore I decided to write this thread to clear up all the confusions people may have. Game director Motomu Toriyama explained at a Final Fantasy XIII-2 event at the Taipei Game Show 2012 that the ending doesn't necessarily guarantee a sequel. At which point something makes Orphan explode. As Hope said, if they have the power to destroy Cocoon, they also have the power to save it. Kroguys 10 years ago #2 *****Spoiler***** The ending is confusing to me also. Say what? "EDEN: The namesake of Cocoon's capital, this fal'Cie directs the others of its kind who support the world's day-to-day existence. Once the party has been lured to Edenhall, Barthandalus transforms the Cavalry members l'Cie with no Focus, and they turn to Cie'th on the spot. But by this time they've seen that Orphan is even more twisted and dangerous than Barthandalus. It feels like the whole story has been a huge troll attempt by developers. They're gambling that they'll find some way to save Cocoon even if they take out the corrupt fal'Cie powering it, and they attack on faith. It's not entirely clear whether that was Anima's doing, to preserve its newly-recruited l'Cie, or whether (as I think) it was Serah's doing. - excerpt from FXIII-3 Lightning returns, which is the most complete lore on the FXIII universe. Also, if a Cie'th were to get hope back and snap out of despair, he/she would also be able to go back to being a l'Cie. Square Enix has explained Final Fantasy 13-2's "to be continued" ending, which last week sparked speculation that Final Fantasy 13-3 was inevitable. They knock off Barthandalus easily enough (they think). Who lives and who doesn't? One of such paradoxes "swallow" Lightning: the paradox is, indeed, that nobody remembers her, but she is the reason everyone is alive. But as Yeul's predictions create more and more paradoxes, Lightning realizes something most be done. No exaggeration. Hope: Somewhere cold and dark, just thinking about everything that happened until now. "BARTHANDALUS: This fal'Cie has long lived under the guise of Galenth Dysley, the Sanctum's supposedly human Primarch. (salt pun not entirely intended) Eventually, Lightning realize (helped by hints from multiple people) that if that is so, Bhunivelze can't actually even know where Serah's soul is, let alone bring her back! 2. Orphan, thanking the the party for freeing it and challenging them to battle. Thank you for clarifying, confirming and extending what I saw. Also, a new character from a new "dimension", Noel, meets Lightning in a world called Valhalla, and gets from her the mission to help Serah "save the world". Whereas the characters themselves -- their personalities, interactions, looks -- seem more polished and well-thought-out. What happened in Final Fantasy XIII? The real mind wrapper is this: the Focus image that everyone saw when turned into l'Cie was actually Ragnarok plunging into the lava (which doesn't really match an image where Ragnarok just destroys Cocoon) .... so, was indeed their Focus to save Cocoon? I'm really late so I apologize. About the author. Fang's strength should be up in the 2400 range and Hope's magic should be around 2300, thanks to weapons upgrades and crystarium maxing out on Mark, er, monster hunts. Spoiler free if you played the earlier games, otherwise spoilers on those first game, As the name implies, Lightning awakes from her slumber 500 years after crystallizing (900 years after the first game). The mysterious girl Lumina, however, somehow knows both what Lightning is planning, but also that Bhunivelze cannot see it; she also give hints about Bhunivelze plan to Lightning when Lightning is traveling between worlds - away from Bhunivelze eyes. Back on the surface world, there is a seeress that can see the future, she is called Yeul and dates back since the dawn of time. It was all either a fake from Bhunivelze, or from Lumina (Lightning emotions). This is the second time I've gone through the game and still couldn't follow it 100%. Fal'Cie can easily be understood as “false Gods”. No. However, it has been ages since the last Pulse l'Cie was seen. Together, until the end. With Final Fantasy XIII things are a little extra complicated because you are thrust into the universe in the middle of a chaos and never really given a preamble on what the lore is, and what is going on. It transformed Lake Bresha into solid crystal, as well as the area around it. You can get the An important bit of false information is about l'Cie and their Focus: The fal'Cie can give powers to humans, but can't really turn them into abominations, crystal or define their fate. To try and avoid that, Lightning tries to stop Caius and his plan. So take anything Tabita says with a grain of salt lol. A mindless abomination full of hatred and violence (in fact, the original Japanese name is "chigau",which means "different" or, in this context, "abomination"). The others try to stop her. Thanks in advance! She and Vanille wind up saving Cocoon as they promised. Even Orphan implied the same thing in the end. As with most Japanese (or rather, oriental culture) works, most of the lore and plot in Final Fantasy is very subtle, and sometimes never outright explained. When the fal'Cie fell (actually, one is still alive and works as the food source all the way to the end of the last game), all the humans that "worked" for the fal'Cie lost their bindings, so no more l'Cies. you guessed it, Valhalla. You can go into the already completed gate right infront of the boss door. Some believe God (actually Lindzei, the one that protects Cocoon and created the Sanctum fal'Cie) had a hand in preventing her fulfilling her Focus, but in fact, it was just that she didn't really want to do it - the real human power is free will (it is eventually revealed that even the gods can't see the human "heart" - alas, their emotions). User Info: Kroguys. Paradox endings have no effect on the main story. The plot twist here is this: Bhunivelze can't see what humans feel or think, so he doesn't know what Lightning is planing. Switch to RAV/RAV/COM (Relentless Assault) to pound boss. Most of the original lore is right, with some minor (extremely important) details. ), the goddess of Death and Chaos (makes sense, since she "died" on the paradox, the Goddess of Death saved her), and becomes the knight of Etro, her protector - it doesn't matter what happened to the fal'Cie and their creators, the gods Pulse and Lindzei, life still requires Etro to manage the chaos and souls back into rebirth, and with the loss of the fal'Cie control, Etro turns Lightning into her protector. I mean, knowing we were worm bait and all, but...As luck would have it, next thing I know I feel somebody pushing me right along. She pretends to be Serah at times, or know Serah, because she knows Lightning true feelings (she IS Lightning emotions). Spoiler free if you played the first game, otherwise spoilers on the first game. This is the generic ending everyone saw in Final Fantasy 8, correct? If some of this is obvious, I apologize. The time before a l'Cie have before turning into a Cie'th varies greatly according to that person's willpower, and the complexity of the Focus (the more complex, the more time the l'Cie is granted). You can have a bittersweet ending just fine provided it's actually, y'know, an ending and not a cliffhanger that answers none of the questions the game raised. As they arrive at the surface at the end of the first game, Lightning vanished and only Serah remembers her existence. Yeul’s Theme. Final Fantasy XIII - complete lore and ending, IV. (It made me appreciate this flawed game more than before.). These three fal'Cie are the true antagonists of the game, and it's a little difficult untangling them and what they are doing. L'Cie are the most devout humans who will do whatever these “false Gods” want, even though they don't even have much of a clue what is it they want – and if they think they failed (keyword: their feelings, not something the fal'Cie do), they spiral into despair and go wild and violent – a Cie'th – or are granted eternal respite – which doesn't exist, so they turn into crystal. A normal l'Cie don't have enough power to kill a fal'Cie (as we can see at the game ending, a party can), but one with enough hatred and power can become a creature known as “Ragnarok”, and fight in par with a fal'Cie. Fang: (disgusted noise at self) Second time now, isn't it? Then, the lore as it is revealed by the end of the game. The rest of the fal'Cie just keep Cocoon working: some provide light, other food, or energy and so on. The logic is that if humans are dead, then the fal'Cie would be the only remaining "children of God", so he would be forced to return for them. Without it, Cocoon's power supply and the gravitational forces holding it aloft will fail. Not to say any of them are wrong, but the Squall dying since disk one’s ending for … Snow: It was like--I had a glimpse of the future. Final Fantasy XIII-2 ends with the words "to be continued," seemingly hinting at the possibility of Final Fantasy XIII-3. Hope had Curaja. If you fully understand the nature of the fal'Cie, you will realize that it is based on real world religion. The end. No spoilers. The ending sequence depends on who the player has recruited back into the party by the time they fight the final boss. Even Light. Furthermore, Caius is immortal (eventually revealed to be from Yeul's multiple souls power), which doesn't really help, because he sees multiple Yeuls be born and die. You will also find some information on Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Lightning Returns to get the complete lore, also separated by non-spoiler and spoiler (And yes, the games should be played in order to prevent spoiler - don't worry, the first game is by far the longest and grindy). During the Transgression war, one Pulse l'Cie became Ragnarok and almost managed to destroy the core of Cocoon and – thus – make it fall and shatter on the surface, instantly killing all. Or is it? In the final sequence, everyone turns into Cie'th when Fang decides to become Ragnarok, because basically they lose all their hope of not having to destroy Orphan. Final Fantasy XIII Ending Plot Discussion Part I: The Cavalry Assault on Eden and Orphan. Final Fantasy XV story and ending has left the internet in juicy discussion, Ardyn possibly being the biggest. They are saved by Snow and Fang and the l'Cie are separated in the chaos with Lightning and Fang in one group and Snow … In contrast, both Pulse and Lindzei were granted near limitless power, and they build the fal'Cie, servants that possess supernatural powers. As a reward for completing your Focus, the l'Cie is granted eternal life and a crystal form. Final Fantasy XIII's problematic development manifests as choppy, fuzzy continuity in various parts of the game, including the ending.Even after the development teams' frictions were resolved, some non-essential plot had to be removed due to space constraints on the Xbox 360 version. :D. TVTropes has a name for this effect: the Fantasy Kitchen Sink: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fantasy... (I'm not defending it, just sayin' it's been a staple of Final Fantasy since 1987. Serah did tell them the right answer: to save Cocoon. It was a new Focus, or something. Let's review final boss strategies. To create fear (which could be one of the triggers to such destruction), some fal'Cie remain on the surface and nurture it's population against Cocoon, doing a guerrilla style war just to keep Cocoon always afraid (the Purge, all a ruse to amp the fear), while also trying other schemes like outright war, a super l'Cie (Ragnarok) or conspiracy inside Sanctum. I really want Fang/Vanille to be a canonical romantic relationship too. The original idea for the epilogue FMV was to have Lightning meet h… Fang saves her adopted family, as she promised, although she comes near to screwing it up. Before she can turn into Ragnarok, the four from Cocoon turn into Cie'th and attack her. As a game itself, it's not too bad, though I wouldn't compare it to other final fantasy games. With that, the recently-turned-Cie'th are given back their hope – multiplied – and are able to become l'Cie again. Final Fantasy XIII is one of the most controversial of Final Fantasy games. When Fang mentions the "second time," I think she's talking a previous scene in which she fell out with the party, closely parallel in staging to this one: back on the Ark, everyone decided they'd defy fal'Cie orders, save Cocoon and refuse to destroy it, and Fang said she'd go on alone. Once it is destroyed, Cocoon loses power and drops from the sky. Can somebody explain the ending of XIII-2 to me? Ardyn isnt just any Lucian, he was the First lucis king's brother(elder brother, as implied in Japanese audio, not mentioned in English). I popped FF13 in to refresh my … When decently levelled (post-game), going in with a paradigm of COM/COM/RAV you can defeat the King Behemoth before he manages to transform, then take out the Megistothorian. Share: Tags: Final Fantasy XIII-2. It's too linear. Witnessing all paradox endings and the secret ending unlocked after obtaining all 160 fragments earns the player the "Anomalous" achievement/trophy. As Sanctum fal'Cie and l'Cie are themselves incapable of harming Orphan, Barthandelus requires the assistance of Pulse l'Cie. The entire … I see signs of that in the fact that the storytelling seems a bit rushed and clumsy. People may partially defend the game, but truth is it attracted a ton of criticism. After years of waiting, a name change, and a jump to the current generation, fans are finally able to … The fact that the english dub/sub is just TERRIBLE (due to localization, alas, "Westernization") doesn't help people understand what is going on. Yet they killed it with out slightest of hesitation. During the final boss battles, after Menrva fuses with Barthandalus, a new boss named Orphan rises from the pool, but it's really a three-part boss made of three beings fused together: a woman's face (which looks like Menrva's), the sun-disk face of Orphan cradled in her arms, and Barthandalus sticking out the right side. Other party members being far away from the leader does not affect their participation i… The ones who stayed on the planet – called Pulse (or Gran Pulse), were obviously called Pulse fal'Cie, and simply didn't care about the humans and let nature follow its (rather cruel) path. Feel free to check out my Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Final Fantasy XIII reviews! P.S. Snow catches Fang, and Hope heals her. Final Fantasy XIII - complete lore and ending (spoilers), III. There were rumors of major development problems with FFXIII; supposedly the teams doing the graphics and character development and storyline were not all on the same page, and they hadn't entirely settled *where the game was going and what would happen* even quite a ways into game creation. Lightning convinces Vanille to save the souls, much to Bhunivelze dismay. Even after the development teams' frictions were resolved, some non-essential plot had to be removed due to space constraints on the Xbox 360 version. Plot Twist: All trilogy is a prequel for our universe! (FFXIII-2 explains this.) Cocoon is so badly damaged it can't be what it was before. I honestly hated this game when I … I think FFXIII could've used a few more story edits and rewrites before they went into production. @auronlu: I'm fine with randomness so long as it's sort of vaguely explained. User Info: roxas9001. Since fal'Cie cannot fight among each other, they decided to segregate: The ones who wanted to help humans, called the Sanctum fal'Cie, created the floating world of Cocoon above the planet. Some players interpret it that Vanille's own force of will caused it to fall, but I think in fact it was Lightning and Sazh shooting Orphan. And if you are strong enough to snap out of the control of the fal'Cie, you can even be back to human (and lose your powers). The gods did not reveal themselves, but the fal'Cie were present in every part of humanity's lives. Its outer shell heats up with the force of reentry and starts turning into lava. Disley is Bartolomeus fal'Cie, the mastermind of all this ruse, and believes that with his and Orphan fal'Cie death, Cocoon would be doomed and the slaughterer would bring back God and "return them to their glory". What is worse: it is revealed that the reason Serah remembers Lighting is that she have seeress powers like Yeul, and start having visions through the game, which means that eventually she will perish like all seeress do.
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